Why you support rape if you are Pro-life and other stories (maybe)
The most basic answer would be "Duh. You think it's okay to use a woman's body without permission". That being said, I don't understand why pro-lifers get all offended when a pro-choicer will tell them that they must support rape.
It's only logical. If you can support forcing a woman to give birth and forfeit her bodily resources against her will for a fetus, who has never been proven to be a human person, why is it that it wouldn't be okay for a man to use a woman as his penis sleeve whenever he wants to?
When a man rapes a woman, he is using her body without her permission, in this case, for sex, control, and a very very appalling habit. When a woman is forced to maintain a pregnancy, the fetus is using her body without her permission to sustain it's life.
Now, people would say that it's the woman's fault for "getting herself pregnant" and therefore she "needs to face the consequences" of her actions and remain pregnant. Now, if a woman's right to bodily autonomy can be taken away from her because she "needs to face the consequences of her actions", I don't see why the same can't be said about certain rape situations, or even ALL rape situations.
Example:
Woman A has sex with her boyfriend. They use a condom. It breaks, she gets pregnant.
Most pro-lifers would say woman A needs to face the consequences of her actions (choosing to have sex, even with protection) and forfeit her right to bodily autonomy.
Example 2:
Woman B goes to a party with a young man she met earlier in the day. She has a few drinks and goes upstairs with said young man. He tells her he wants to have sex with her, but she says no.
Now, this is where I'm confused. The woman CHOSE to go upstairs with said young man from earlier. Why would she go upstairs with him if she didn't want ot have sex? Shouldn't she "face the consequences of her actions" (I mean, she knew that if she went upstairs with the guy, there was a chance she might choose to have sex with him, or he might force himself on her) of choosing to go upstairs with him and sleep with him or be raped? I mean, supposedly, the right to bodily autonomy can be taken away from a woman for making the "wrong" decision, correct?
Therefore, when a pro-lifer tells me that a woman's body is up for grabs as soon as she chooses to have sex (or otherwise), I can't help but remember the girl who chose to go upstairs with a boy and who got raped because of it. I think about how they must think she deserved it, because her body was up for grabs because of her decisions.
And then I think of murderers, arsonists, and rapists who are in federal prisons (And death row, I imagine) free from ever giving up their kidneys, livers, etc., even for the well-being of someone else.
It makes my blood boil. It really does.
Also, Say Woman B from the above example DOES get raped. What if while the man was having his way with her, she grabbed a heavy lamp, hit him in the head, and he died? Wouldn't that be sort of like an abortion?
I mean, if you think about it, the man is sort of like the fetus in a way. Just because the woman went upstairs (kind of like choosing to have sex) does not mean he can have his way with her and use her body without her permission (kind of like not having any obligation to continue a pregnancy). Therefore, the woman hits the man who is raping her in the head with a lamp. If it kills him, it kills him. Said woman just wants to get away.
Now, I'm wondering how many pro-lifers want accidentally killing your rapist to be illegal. Or, efven better, I want the pro-lifers who tell women it's "their fault" that they got pregnant to also tell them that if they're married, that gives their spouse free run of their body. I think pro-lifers who spout the "You chose, you chose" mantra should fight for spousal rape to be legal again. I mean, the woman chose to marry the man. That means that, because of her choices, her body is up for grabs, right?
Yeah. This is the kind of thing a migraine and a bunch of Trig homework sparks.
But whatever. Think about it, bitches, before one of you lifers EVER tells me you own my uterus because "I made my choice when I chose to have teh evil se><0rz".
18 comments:
Wow...that was a long one. You were on a roll too.
Please, for the love of God, don't give those crazy fucks any ideas!! Did you ever read The Handmaidens Tale? It's a story about George Bush's wet dream of a future utopian society, if you ask me. May cooler heads prevail in the fight to keep the rights women have fought so hard for.
I never understand pro-life.
Good post. <33.
To pleadingthe5th,
Sadly, I haven't read that. I really need to. Not only is it on my reading list and I've heard it a fabulous book, but my English teacher also compares my writing style to Margaret Atwood. I'd love to see if I measure up, although I highly doubt I do.
And yeah, I'll try not to give them any ideas. Although, I'm sure legalizing spousal rape is nothing new to their conniving minds. :?
Thanks for the comment. <3
"Why you support puppy torture if you support abortion"
Well gee, if you guys support abortion, that means you must support the live dismembering of puppies and kittens, right? Cuz fetuses don't have human rights, and puppies and kittens don't have human rights, so if you support the dismembering of fetuses because they have no rights you must support the dismembering of live puppies and kittens because they have no rights, right? Makes perfect sense-to the brainless....or to those for whom animal life holds greater value than human life, maybe.
Yeah, I haven't gotten many comment, either.
=/.
Dear anonymous,
I am not a member of PETA. Begone.
So you DO support the live dismembering of puppies and kittens? Ok, at least you're consistent.
The point is, the connection makes as little sense as your idiotic pro-life pro-rape connection does. It's called parody, perhaps that amazing brain of yours isn't wise to the concept yet.
I don't give a rat's ass what a woman does to her own body, provided what she does doesn't impact SOMEONE ELSE'S body. You PCers are so desperate to paint this a womens rights issue and it's not. No, being pro-life does not mean that I believe a woman should be legally forced to do any old thing we want her to do with her body. It only means she shouldn't be able to kill someone else just because they happen to be residing there.
I will ch-h-eck it out.
=).
P.S. Alito. =(.
I cried. Seriously.
"So you DO support the live dismembering of puppies and kittens? Ok, at least you're consistent."
My dearest anonymous, what went completely over your head is that said puppy and/or kitten is not using the woman's body and is not sitting in her uterus. If it were, dismember away.
"The point is, the connection makes as little sense as your idiotic pro-life pro-rape connection does."
Have you done anything to disprove that pro-lifers don't think it's okay to use a woman's body against her will?
"It's called parody, perhaps that amazing brain of yours isn't wise to the concept yet."
When one such as yourself mutilates the concept, it's rather hard to recognize. :)
"I don't give a rat's ass what a woman does to her own body, provided what she does doesn't impact SOMEONE ELSE'S body."
If a fetus has it's own body, it should get out of the woman and use it. That would solve a lot of problems, no?
"You PCers are so desperate to paint this a womens rights issue and it's not."
Bullcrap. What is it, a fetal rights issue?
That's an oxymoron, toots.
"No, being pro-life does not mean that I believe a woman should be legally forced to do any old thing we want her to do with her body."
Oh, so your wishes only extend to forced gestation?
"It only means she shouldn't be able to kill someone else just because they happen to be residing there."
IN HER BODY! The "someone" is IN HER BODY.
Tell me, when was the last time someone had a right to use your body for anything without your permission?
FYI-might want to rethink your career plans. Writing your opinions for a feminist magazine (is there such a thing, and does it have a circulation of more than a couple thousand?) won't get you into any penthouse in NY-a hovel in the Bronx you can share with 5 other impoverished left wing lunatics like yourself perhaps. To get into that NY penthouse you actually have to succeed in evil, male dominated corporate America-horrors!
"FYI-might want to rethink your career plans. Writing your opinions for a feminist magazine (is there such a thing, and does it have a circulation of more than a couple thousand?)"
FYI: There are plenty, and to answer your question: Yes. However, I doubt they deliver to the misogynist population.
"won't get you into any penthouse in NY-a hovel in the Bronx you can share with 5 other impoverished left wing lunatics like yourself perhaps."
Did I ever say I wanted a penthouse? Is that really any of your business?
"To get into that NY penthouse you actually have to succeed in evil, male dominated corporate America-horrors!"
And knowing this, you couldn't figure out that I don't want/need a NY penthouse?
Why do you feel this is your business anyway? Because you can't attack my argument?
Oh, didn't you write this?
Somebody must have hacked onto your blog...LOL!!
"Being an independent women who writes about her opinions for a feminist magazine and then comes home to her New York penthouse and 5 cats >>>>>>>> Being pregnant and bare-footed in the kitchen fixing some man a turkey pot pie."
I did write it, and that is a true statement.
That doesn't necessarily mean I need a New York penthouse and five cats to be successful. However, such a thing wold definitely be better than being pregnant and barefooted in the kitchen making a turkey pot pie for some man.
Hell, I'm allergic to cats.
So why don't you attack my argument, before you make yourself look like even more of an moron.
Attack what argument? Your argument, like all PC arguments, is based on the presumption that a fetus magically transforms from a growth of lifeless cells into a person with rights simply by passing through the birth canal. It makes no rational sense. It's completely arbitrary and ignores science and yeah, what your hated intern showed you right up there on the TV screen. A fetus is a developing human being. You try to convince yourself and others that it is no more a person and deserving of no more consideration than a wart growing on your toe would be, because that's what's convenient for you to believe. But deep down you know that's not really true. But you will keep telling yourself that to assuage your guilt at your support and promotion of such a brutal and horrific act. I can't argue with someone whose every argument is rooted in a completely fallacious premise.
But back to the turkey pot pies-who are you to define what kind of life is "greater"? I thought you were all about "choice"? If a woman's choice is to raise babies and cook turkey pot pies for her family, is that not a valid choice for HER? This is why feminists like yourself are a dying breed-they don't respect the "choices" of women who don't want the same things they want.
"Attack what argument? Your argument, like all PC arguments, is based on the presumption that a fetus magically transforms from a growth of lifeless cells"
Strangely enough, I never said fetal cells were lifeless. That very sentence would be a contradiction.
"into a person with rights simply by passing through the birth canal."
Actually, I've never said whether or not I believe a fetus is a human person either way. And if I have, I'm certain it wasn't by those standards.
"It makes no rational sense. It's completely arbitrary and ignores science and yeah,"
What science? The science that has to do with personhood?
I think you made up that science.
"what your hated intern showed you right up there on the TV screen."
Which was very innappropriate, mind you, but I doubt you'd agree to that.
"A fetus is a developing human being."
Wait, I thought that thinking it develops into a human being is irrational and arbitrary and contradictory?
If it's is in the process of developing, when does it STOP developing and morph into a human person? What's your arbitrary cut-off since you accuse me so harshly of having one?
"You try to convince yourself and others that it is no more a person and deserving of no more consideration than a wart growing on your toe would be,"
Well, a wart on my tow shouldn't have the right to use my body without permission and neither should a fetus, so with your warped perception I can see where you would get that comparison.
"because that's what's convenient for you to believe."
And, knowing me, my situation, and everything about me, I'm sure you know what's convenient for me as well.
"But deep down you know that's not really true."
Hahahahahaha!!!!!! HAHAHA!! You're hilarious.
"But you will keep telling yourself that to assuage your guilt at your support and promotion of such a brutal and horrific act."
You're right. I look myself in the mirror every day and want to die because I'm a baby-killer. God damn I'm glad you came along and made me realize it.
"I can't argue with someone whose every argument is rooted in a completely fallacious premise."
That must be why you never seem to question your own arguments.
"But back to the turkey pot pies-who are you to define what kind of life is "greater"?"
Who are you?
"I thought you were all about "choice"? If a woman's choice is to raise babies and cook turkey pot pies for her family, is that not a valid choice for HER?"
It certainly is. However, I would not force my lifestyle on her, and she should not expect the same of me. It is when such a lifestyle is forced by societal expectations or even legislation that such an existence becomes disgusting.
"This is why feminists like yourself are a dying breed-they don't respect the "choices" of women who don't want the same things they want."
I respect them just fine. However, if you were an African American individual (You may be, I wouldn't know), would you consider it a little odd/degrading if another African American individual was working as a cleaning person because they have to pay the bills in an area that is very racially inequal, even though they really desperately had other dreams to fulfill?
That's what this belief is like. If it's your dream to be a housewife, go for it. But if a woman is unhappy, she should never be expected to remain or become one because of societal expectations of gender inequalities.
Dear Asphalt:
Apparently, troll, your idiocy never wore off. You obviously lack the brain power to realize that you don't know my family's financial situation. Way to show how superior your intelligence is.
Also, for someone who is so much smarter than me, I don't see you bringing out any counter arguments. So good luck with that logic, and making sure your comments aren't incredibly ironic from now on.
Have a lovely day. :)
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